Would some please post the urls of photos of thse 4 classes. bob gillis Schuyler Larrabee wrote: >I meant to respond to this. > >One of the easier ways to tell an S3 is by the tender. Only the S3 tender has a double line of >rivets down the middle of the side, and they kept them throughout their lives. > >As built, S1s had straight sided collars on the tenders, S2s as well. S4s were the first (and only) > > >>>delivered<< with the rounded collar around the coal space. Those silly looking Baldwin 0-8-0 >>> >>> >builder photos with the enormous tenders are showing a set of replacemnt tenders for the S1s and >S2s. So, a curved collar CAN mean a S1, 2, or 4, so you have to double check an ID by looking at >the trailing truck, or, if all else fails, the number on the cab . . .8^) > >By "assembled trailing truck, Mike, you are referring to the "Articulated Rear End." This was a >patented (by Lima, I think) arrangement where the drawbar was actually attached to the trailing >truck, not to the frame. S1's had a "normal" attachment of drawbar to frame. The alleged advantage >of the "ARE" was twofold: The line of forces from the drivers back to the tender drawbar was >straighter, therefore less lost to flexing of the frame, and so on, and also it held the trailing >truck down hard on the rails. The trailing truck, remember, had a booster engine in it, so more >force down on the rails meant more TF delivered to the rear of the tender. It also caused just as >much problem backing up as it does with the Oriental S3 model - it makes the trailing truck derail. > >SGL > > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: erielack-owner_@_lists.elhts.org >>[mailto:erielack-owner_@_lists.elhts.org] On Behalf Of Michael Dye >>Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 11:33 PM >>To: ed_mines_@_yahoo.com; erielack@lists.railfan.net >>Subject: RE: (erielack) questions about Erie steam locomotives >> >>I don't recall. Did anyone ever offer an answer to this? I'm >>not all that great about steam, but this is what I remember reading. >> >>Class S1: Bell mounted in bottom mount vertical bracket, off >>a horiz. bar at top front of smokebox. >> Units equipped with ATS. >> Only class to have cast trailing truck. >> >>Class S2: Bell mounted in bottom mount vertical bracket, off >>a horiz. bar at top front of smokebox. >> No ATS >> Assembled trailing truck. >> >>Class S3: Bell mounted in top mount bracket, attached to >>smokebox front by >>45 degree bracket. >> Equipped with ATS. >> Assembled trailing truck. >> >>Class S4: Bell mounted in top mount bracket, attached to >>smokebox front by >>45 degree bracket. >> No ATS. >> Assembled trailing truck. >> >>It's not much, but I hope it helps. >> >>Michael Dye ELHS #1516 >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: Edward Mines <ed_mines_@_yahoo.com> >>>(1) What were the visula differences between the 4 classes of Erie >>>Berkshires? >>>Ed Mines >>> >>> >> >> The Erie Lackawanna Mailing List >> Sponsored by the ELH&TS >> http://www.elhts.org >> >> >> > > > The Erie Lackawanna Mailing List > Sponsored by the ELH&TS > http://www.elhts.org > > > The Erie Lackawanna Mailing List Sponsored by the ELH&TS http://www.elhts.org ------------------------------
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