In a message dated 7/1/2007 12:36:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, schuyler.larrabee_@_verizon.net writes: OK, so that's where that got left. I'll accept recommendations as to manufacturer. Who would those on the list interested in this color prefer? Suggestion: Let ELHS work with Weaver. Scalecoat is the best paint, and they'll work on custom color runs for a certain quantity. I talked to Weaver ca. 2000 about Lackawanna's boxcar red, and they were receptive -- anything for a buck. I couldn't justify all that paint, and polling ten friends still couldn't come near the quantity, and didn't have time to persue it further. It'll be a lengthy process to get it all together, but if someone's willing to spend the time and money, Weaver will do it. Personalities and relationships can grow stale -- new people might get a few projects done before the next relationship goes stale. No idea what the problem is. As for paint colors and the builders. EMD used stock DuPont colors unless a customer specified a custom color. The Erie greens were custom colors, but DuPont can usually cross reference the old numbers into the new pigments. Many museums have been through that process. And even URHS's Erie E8s looked pretty close. Jimmy Wilson will be going through the excersize shortly on the 833. PRR was another road that used custom colors on diesels. As for maroons, the pigments did change slightly during the EL years with the introduction of Imron. I don't recall the year, but one model was painted in Dulux, and the next (possibly GP35s or Sd45s?) came in Imron, and the maroon was visibly more red. Today both maroons can be matched. Pullman green is a generality in the paint biz. In 1994 when we painted the Lackawanna baggage car, there were seven Pullman Green colors in the book, and our actual color wound up as a custom mix to match virgin paint we found, but it was an olive drab most closely matched in model paints by Great Northern's Empire Builder green. The m.u.s motors when first delivered were Pullman green, and virgin paint on those is much darker. As for different shades of black, that is actually true. Many times railroads would specifiy a different paint formula for different areas of the equipment. Roofs and undercarriage may have a different composition or finish from black on the carbody, for example. I have paint specs for freight and passenger cars that had different blacks specified for roofs and trucks and ends. It is an auto painter's trick to add bright blue paint to black to brighten it up and add richness to the color. Look at any black artwork in commerical magazines and you'll see blue ink on or under the black ink, for the same reason. There are varying shades of black. And while we're at it, Schuyler, this Italian is curious what inspired your new signature? Mike Del Vecchio veni vidi vici ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. The Erie Lackawanna Mailing List Sponsored by the ELH&TS http://www.elhts.org To Unsubscribe: http://lists.elhts.org/erielackunsub.html ------------------------------ End of EL Mail List Digest V3 #2429 ***********************************
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