Bruce, you're a brave soul. In plain view of the station to boot! You must have asked permission or you were a CN employee. My list from the UCRS Newsletter puts that PO-98 through on 7/10, but that may be an error; the list contains several. I have fond memories of trainwatching from the station platform in Brantford back in 1969-70. Paul B - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Mercer" <mongo1_@_rogers.com> To: "Paul Brezicki" <doctorpb_@_bellsouth.net>; "EL Mailing List" <erielack_@_lists.railfan.net>; "Paul Tupaczewski" <paultup@comcast.net>; <Smtimko_@_aol.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 10:21 AM Subject: Re: (erielack) EL Hurricane Agnes detours over CP - photos! > Thanks for the additional details, in order to provide an overview to > those unfamiliar with s.Ontario. > > Just a couple of comments, if I may: > The Canpa Sub is owned by CPR; in fact it's name is derived from > abbreviating that company - Can Pa. > > The predominance of CN handlings probably had several advantages over CP: > in the Montreal area, CN could send trains via Coteau, thus not having to > articulate via downtown Montreal. > CP was handicapped by connector's TH&B and, more importantly, PC, who > probably had many crews shuffled to other areas in their own disarray. > > On Day 17 of these detours, July 11/72, there were 2 final trains: > CP Extra East with E-L 3658-3642, train PO-98. > And CN 847 with 3648-3647, train TC-3. > > In my photo of TC-1, ( yes, taken from the cantilever signal on the Halton > Sub !), the trailing unit, 2523, is dead. > > The train totals for CN and CP are thus : > CN eastward - 26 E-L and 2 LV > CP eastward - 18 E-L > > CN westward - 15 E-L > CP westward - 14 E-L > Grand total - 75 trains > > Car counts amounted to 4,391 loads and 2,927 etys, both directions, both > Canadian roads. > > > Bruce Mercer > Brantford Ont > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Brezicki" <doctorpb_@_bellsouth.net> > To: "EL Mailing List" <erielack_@_lists.railfan.net>; "Paul Tupaczewski" > <paultup_@_comcast.net>; <Smtimko@aol.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 2:15 AM > Subject: Re: (erielack) EL Hurricane Agnes detours over CP - photos! > > >> Paul, Steve and List, >> >> Thanks for posting these, Paul, and I'll add a few comments. The photos >> were taken at the concentration point at the west end of L Ontario where >> several routes converge and bend tightly around the lake. The trackage >> here is all CN, with CP having trackage rights. Both roads handled EL >> detours, with a bias toward CN. >> >> Image 1 (F units): We're facing west at Burlington Ont; EB NY-100 is >> diverging from the original mainline to downtown Toronto (Oakville >> Subdivision) to the freight bypass constructed by CN around Toronto in >> the early 1960's. This westernmost portion is the Halton Sub, which prior >> to 1963 was a little-used branchline, originally the Hamilton & >> Northwestern. Thereafter almost all freights took the Halton Sub to >> access Toronto (Macmillan) Yard, leaving the Oakville Sub to passengers >> and a handful of freights. NY-100 has just passed modest Aldershot yard. >> After the second day of detours, the priority TOFC trains were routed >> over PC between Buffalo and Syracuse. >> >> Image 2 (high angle of 3612): This time we're facing east towards Toronto >> at the same location; the Halton Sub tracks are at the bottom left, and >> obviously the photographer is perched on the signal cantilever (try that >> today!). CP traffic from Toronto to Ft Erie followed a more complex route >> than CN's. From Agincourt yard, trains proceeded west on CP to the >> western suburb of Etobicoke, then down CN's Canpa Sub to the mainline >> (Oakville Sub), diverging to its own rails in Hamilton to reach the TH&B. >> Thence TH&B to Welland, then Michigan Central. The regulars were two >> pairs of trains, the Kinnear and Starlight, usually with trios of cream >> and brown TH&B GP7's. This is the next to final detour and the last on >> CP. Canadian roads used white flags for extras, which on CN included many >> time freights. >> >> Image 3 (Bayview Jct): This is THE hotspot for Ontario trainwatchers. All >> CN traffic to the west and Ft Erie, as well as CP Ft Erie trains. We are >> several miles west of Burlington facing more or less south. That's L >> Ontario (actually Hamilton Bay) and the high water level is in part a >> result of the heavy rain Agnes dumped on S Ontario. In the far background >> is the other dominant geographic feature in the area, the Niagara >> Escarpment. Diverging to the right is the CN main to London, Sarnia and >> Windsor; trains taking this route will soon be climbing the Escarpment. >> The CN line to Hamilton Yd and Ft Erie is seen bending around the lake to >> the left, while the CP route from Kinnear Yard (followed by this train) >> diverges to the right under the highway bridge in the center background. >> My info on this train says PN-98, 86-20. >> >> Image 4 (EL 2519): Another CP detour, TC-1 with 25-87. The cambre visible >> on the 89' flat indicates the SeaTrain containers are empty. The Halton >> Sub is behind the photographer. >> >> Paul B >> >> From: Paul R. Tupaczewski <paultup_@_comcast.net> >> To: 'EL Mail List' <erielack_@_lists.elhts.org> >> Sent: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:59 am >> Subject: (erielack) EL Hurricane Agnes detours over CP - photos! >> >> >> >> Thanks to Steve Timko for finding and forwarding on these links to photos >> by >> Bruce Mercer taken right after Hurrican Agnes in 1972, while the trains >> were >> detouring over CP in southern Ontario: >> >> >> http://tinyurl.com/yqe5ql >> >> http://tinyurl.com/22urp7 >> >> http://tinyurl.com/2cvre7 >> >> http://tinyurl.com/yuuqfn >> >> >> Note the last link that shows TC-1 - with the head-end Seatrain >> containers >> that were usually seen on NY-98 when headed east! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > The Erie Lackawanna Mailing List http://EL-List.railfan.net/ To Unsubscribe: http://Lists.Railfan.net/erielackunsub.html ------------------------------
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