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Re: (erielack) EL FRT OPS: Seatrain/Carnation Traffic Revisited

A correction as it was South Dayton N.Y .  Not Dayton that Carnation loaded 
canned milk. It was the tall cans and the baby milk came from Cambridge 
Spgs, Pa. Jerry H.
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From: "Paul Brezicki" <doctorpb_@_bellsouth.net>
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Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 8:47 AM
Subject: (erielack) EL FRT OPS: Seatrain/Carnation Traffic Revisited


> This traffic was discussed again here recently. To review, in 1973-74 the 
> Carnation plant in Dayton, NY shipped one or two Seatrain containers daily 
> to Puerto Rico. The empty containers were delivered to the plant on 89' 
> flatcars, loaded as COFC's and forwarded to Croxton by NY-98. The flats 
> were interchanged to HSRR at Weehawken, where the containers were unloaded 
> by the HSRR straddle crane for transfer to the adjacant Port Seatrain. I 
> had commented previously on the inefficient use of the TTX flats in this 
> manner, compared with shipment as COC's ramp to ramp, Buffalo-Croxton.
>
> I was thinking about this move on the long drive to Canada, and the 
> obvious reason for this arrangement finally hit me. Assuming the 
> evaporated milk was shipped in cans rather than powdered, the containers 
> were too heavy to be street-legal. They had to be on rails to the HSRR 
> facility, which was on-dock and therefore not subject to NJ state weight 
> limits. Canned goods is a high gross commodity, which is why it is one of 
> the few commodities that is still shipped in substantial volume in 
> boxcars. The canned milk would easily reach the 67,200 lb gross weight 
> limit of the container before cubing out. Container plus chassis plus 
> tractor would exceed the 80,000 lb weight limit (lower on many 
> non-interstate roads). Two containers were within the 140,000 lb capacity 
> of the TTAX or TTCX flat. In PR, the containers were either unloaded 
> on-dock, or the highway move was by special permit. The parties involved 
> thought this was worth the extra costs involved in flatcar per diem and 
> having the HSRR acquire a crane, vs using more containers, either loading 
> 40' boxes more lightly or using 20-footers, and then shipping as COC's 
> ramp to ramp.
>
> When the business was diverted to the highway, Jerry Heckman hinted that 
> the move may have regularly violated weight limits. Jerry, can you confirm 
> that the milk moved canned and not powdered?
>
> Paul B
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