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Re: EL piggyback trains (was: (erielack) UPS trailers again)

Pat,

You're correct, the 3 UPS trains were TOFC-only, but frequently handled 
other traffic on weekend arrivals. Check out the tables in my UPS article 
for some examples. I guess I'll copy my response to Joe Braun, which has 
more detail on this topic. See below.

Paul B

From: pat.moore_@_att.net
Subject: EL piggyback trains (was: (erielack) UPS trailers again)

Hi Joe,

Oh yeah, by the mid-70s the EL ran solid piggyback trains on a routine 
basis.

Paul B...correct me if I am wrong...but it would be a rare occurrence for 
trains like 2/NY-100 and A/CX-99 to be anything BUT solid piggyback?

- - -pat moore

Yes, absolutely, beginning in the mid-60's. Prior to that, the hot 99/100 
trains generally had forwarder and other boxcar traffic. 100 also carried 
livestock for Chester NY and auto parts out of Akron for Ford-Mahwah. By the 
late 60's the eastbound forwarder boxcars had more or less disappeared, so 
the primary EB TOFC trains PB-100, NY-100 and Advance-100 were pure TOFC. 
Westbound, NY-99 continued to handle boxcars for Lifschultz FF out of 28th 
St Manhattan until that facility closed. This was related to the fact that 
carload traffic on EL was primarily EB, so EL gave Lifschultz a very 
favorable rate to fill some of those MT boxcars headed back west. After that 
facility (and 14th St Chicago) closed and Lifschultz went all-TOFC in 10/75, 
NY-99 often handled boxcars for LA Wholesale to LA and the Bay area via 
ATSF, and for JC Penney to various western locations via BN, which had the 
Penney account.

PB-99/100 were all-TOFC, at least on EL's portion, until late 1974 when the 
severe traffic downturn resulted in that pair being combined with carload 
trains TC-99/100. The Cannonballs between Croxton and E St Louis via N&W 
were mostly TOFC, but often carried some hot boxcar traffic. Finally the UPS 
trains A/CX-99, CX-99 and 2/NY-100 were all-TOFC, although trains arriving 
on weekends often filled out with auto parts, since they could arrive very 
late and stilll make service.

Paul

- --- On Fri, 2/27/09, Joseph A. Braun <joebraun_@_optonline.net> wrote:

  From: Joseph A. Braun <joebraun_@_optonline.net>
  Subject: UPS trailers again
  To: "'Paul Brezicki'" <doctorpb_@_bellsouth.net>, "'EL Mailing List'" 
<erielack_@_lists.railfan.net>
  Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 12:00 PM



Paul B, thanks for your usual very helpful feedback. Let me just pose one
more specific ancillary question for final clarification while the topic is
on our minds.  From your knowledge of train consists, would EL have ever run
a freight that was 100% pig flats (assuming also a preponderance of the UPS
trailers)? Thanks -- in the interest of "good enough" modelling that
also
does not want to create the preposterous!
Joe Braun



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