Re: (erielack) Gallo Wine Traffic

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August 30, 2017 @ 9:40 AM EDT
 
It would be interesting to see on which EL freights Gallo  wine shipments 
destined for Elizabeth were made prior to the  years mentioned in this 
thread, albeit it should be assumed that this  traffic would be on the Scranton 
side, of necessity.  We know that, since  symbol freights SE98 and ES99 were 
initiated in April 1972 though, that the  SE98 could not have been one of 
these trains carrying Gallo wine loads to  Scranton for interchange with Jersey 
Central Lines at their (CNJ's) Taylor  yard; Taylor Yard was never used for 
SE98, and wouldn't have been needed for  SE98 to be routed from this yard 
even if the yard and CNJ's operations had  continued in that state, when the 
routing for this train was to Lake Junction  and east.  CNJ's last day of 
their Pennsylvania  operations,  including their ending their lease of the 
Lehigh & Susquehanna was on March  31, 1972; the reason why these EL-CNJ pool 
trains via the Highbridge Branch was  started.  Taylor yard would have been 
used up until this time however,  if this were the routing for Gallo wine 
loads prior to Lehigh Valley taking  over CNJ's operations in Pennsylvania, as 
would seem most  likely.  Conceivable candidates as trains forwarding Gallo 
wine loads to  Scranton for interchange at Taylor Yard before April 1, 1972 
would appear  to have been a CO98 - NY98 in 1968 and quite possibly PN98 
from 1968 into 1972,  but others here may probably know more  specifically.     
   
 
Ray Wetzel 
 
 
In a message dated 8/30/2017 6:28:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
tmeehan0421_@_gmail.com writes:


Thanks to everyone for the responses. I was wondering if Pat or  anyone can
comment on the routing of the Gallo traffic, if there is  anything in the
lists he had that show the Elizabeth cars were switched to  SE98 (the CNJ
runthrough) at, I guess, Taylor yard? I think the cars headed  for the Long
Island points were carfloated via Jersey City, probably to  Long Island
City. Some LIRR fans say that some of those cars were probably  headed to a
Gallo warehouse in Syosset on the Oyster Bay Branch. I wonder  if they could
have been billed to the agent at Farmingdale, not sure they  still had an
agent at Syosset by the 1970s. That Gallo (and successor  Southern) received
traffic at Syosset until just a few years ago when  service became too
sporadic. For many years, possibly dating back to the  late EL period just
before Conrail, some of the traffic had been switched  to trailers,
offloaded in New Jersey and driven out onto the  Island.

HathiTrust digital library has a lot of ICC reports on line and  I have seen
cases from the 1970s involving rates on EL traffic offloaded in  northern
New Jersey and trucked to LIRR.

tommy  meehan


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