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Re: (erielack) Gallo Wine Traffic

Tommy,

I think our database of EL freight train consists, as large as it is, just isn't large enough to answer the question.  All the cars going to Elizabeth NJ were found in consists taken from farther west on the system (i.e. none found in SE-98), but all the cars going to Elizabeth were routed to the CNJ at Lake Jct, NJ.  None of the empties going back to Modesto, CA, were found in eastern trains either.  The cars going to the LIRR were routed to the carfloats at Jersey City.  Unfortunately, the consist information is a bit sketchy (we aren't dealing with waybills).  They only say to route the car to Farmingdale or East Farmingdale.  It is impossible to say what the LIRR would do with the car as there is no information given.  I suppose the EL didn't care once the car made it to the LIRR?

- -pat
 

    On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 6:28 AM, tommy meehan <tmeehan0421_@_gmail.com> wrote:
 

 
Thanks to everyone for the responses. I was wondering if Pat or anyone can
comment on the routing of the Gallo traffic, if there is anything in the
lists he had that show the Elizabeth cars were switched to SE98 (the CNJ
runthrough) at, I guess, Taylor yard? I think the cars headed for the Long
Island points were carfloated via Jersey City, probably to Long Island
City. Some LIRR fans say that some of those cars were probably headed to a
Gallo warehouse in Syosset on the Oyster Bay Branch. I wonder if they could
have been billed to the agent at Farmingdale, not sure they still had an
agent at Syosset by the 1970s. That Gallo (and successor Southern) received
traffic at Syosset until just a few years ago when service became too
sporadic. For many years, possibly dating back to the late EL period just
before Conrail, some of the traffic had been switched to trailers,
offloaded in New Jersey and driven out onto the Island.

HathiTrust digital library has a lot of ICC reports on line and I have seen
cases from the 1970s involving rates on EL traffic offloaded in northern
New Jersey and trucked to LIRR.

tommy meehan


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