From: Jjbchian AT aol DOT com
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 12:25:31 EDT
Subject: Re: (erielack) Lackawanna/EL Coaches
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In a message dated 5/27/2003 10:00:18 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
> Thanks for the information but I'm not sure it clears things up.
> According to what information I have found the 41-NDO trucks where
> designed specifically for disk brakes and thus could not be used with
> regular clasp brakes. In fact the trucks were designed without a means
> of hang brake beams.
> If you look at photos of the ACF built cars you can distinctly see a
> brake cylinder mounted on the exterior of the truck side frame. If you
> look at the PS cars, no cylinder is visible. I mean it is possible that
> they used a style of clasp brake that used the rod and lever arrangement
> on each side of the truck, but wouldn't that have meant a different
> truck, say the more standard 41-N being used?
You are correct, and I should have caught that. The 41-NDO OSSH truck was
specifically designed for use with the Budd disc brake, eliminating the high
transom for hanging brake levers. They could not be converted for use with clasp
The 41-BNO-11 OSSH truck was used on the ACF Lackawanna coaches, as they came
equipped with clasp brakes.
The 41-N, and its predecessor, the 41-ER, are both ISSH trucks. The 41-N
truck, with rotary arm (aircraft style) snubbers were used on the Erie 10/6's. The
two Erie 10/5's came with the 41-BNO-11 OSSH trucks, and they were the only
cars in the Erie fleet so equipped.
Please see attached photo of ELDCPS's NKP City of Lima with a close up of the