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From: William Shultz wshultz1 AT twcny DOT rr DOT com
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 19:14:05 -0500
Subject: Re: (erielack) H16-44
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Take a look at the following photos from of AC&Y and CNJ H15-44's and

CNJ 1509 is an H15-44 built in the first quarter of 1949. It has the
tapered cab.

AC&Y 200 is an H15-44 built in June 1949 and it too has the tapered cab.

CNJ 1517 is an H16-44 built in July 1950. Tapered cab. Notice the shadow
from the tapered sheet metal being cast on the forward facing wall of
the cab?

Now AC&Y 201 an H16-44 built in december of 1951. One year before the
Lackawanna H16-44's. No tapered cab.

AC&Y 205 was built in April 1954. No tapered cab and the car body is
transitioning from the Lowey styling to the Train Master style body.

AC&Y 207 built in December of 1955 is included to show what the H16-44
became when stuffed into the Train Master style body. There were a
couple of variations to this car body as well.

Finally, here is a shot of EL 1931 nee DL&W 931 built in december of
1952. No tapered cab. Oh yeah and WOW look at that nice shiny diesel!
Hurts the eyes just looking at it. Even into the EL era yet.

Last but not is the picture of the Atlas unit from their
web site. A rather dull looking finish wouldn't you say? That's just my
amateur opinion though. (But then I have always felt that most modelers
finish their models too dull and flat. Look at photos of working steam
locomotives, you can still see gloss on them especially on the tops of
the boiler and the domes. I think that's why the railroads hired people
called "engine wipers".)

And since it's such a small dark picture the Atlas shot I've made a
quick and dirty enlargement of the Atlas shot and highlighted the cab
taper areas. I also highlighted the red, yellow or whatever lettering
people keep mentioning.

I hope this help explains what everyone is talking about.


Will Shultz

Janet & Randy Brown wrote:
> Bill and list -- I guess I'mliving too much in the past. I just presumed that a book produced while many of the subject locos were still running would have a good chance of being accurate. I missed any further discoveries. I gave up on XTS when they went fancy.
> However, I just did something interesting.I went to the archives and found Bob's initial message, which started this thread. He asked whether any of the H-16-44's had the cab flare, stating that he had seen none, " . . . and certainly not the Lackawanna's. . ." Then I went to Staufer's ERIE POWER and found, on page 386, EL 1935 and 1931, formerly DL&W 935 and 931. Lo! And behold! At the bottom of the cab side, where it joins the battery boxes, is a little curve, maybe 9" radius, which flares the cab side into or onto the top of the running board. Is this what all the fuss is about? Stauffer csptioned them as H-16-44. Were they? Or did DL&W have H-15-44's in the 930-series? I don't know enough about Lackawanna power to tell.
> As for the BLI coaches, they are good for Erie 2250-series before modernization and they will produce them in ERIE one-tone green. If they decide to include DL&W, it's because they know someone will buy them. The cars, by the way, are good for several roads including, but not limited to, NYC, C&O, MP. They would be perfect as NYC cars for the Steel King, for instance.
> Randy Brown
> --------------------------------------------------------------


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