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From: "V DOT C DOT Stagnitto" stagnitv AT verizon DOT net
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 19:36:31 -0500
Subject: Re: (erielack) Newburgh Jct - old and/or new?
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Paul and Randy,

I've attached some maps top show this.
An annotated 1902 USGS which shows the Newburgh Shortcut diverging from
the mainline at Newburgh Junction (pre-Graham Line) in Harriman, and the
Newburgh Branch diverging at what I have labeled Greycourt.
An annotated 1935 USGS which now shows the Graham Line diverging from
the Newburgh Shortcut at Central Valley, then crossing over the Newburgh
Shortcut on Woodbury Viaduct, and crossing over the Newburgh Branch on
Moodna Viaduct. Again, Newburgh Junction is clearly marked on the map
in Harriman.
Finally, the map from the centerfold of an 1930 Erie Public Timetable,
which gives a neat little graphic of the lines.

Vinnie


On Jan 10, 2014, at 5:36 PM, Janet & Randy Brown
wrote:

> Paul,
>
> As in so many of these inquiries, the answer is, "Yes".
>
> Here's a time line (sequential; you can look up the years yourself)
>
> 1. Erie mainline from Piermont toward Port Jervis, up the Ramapo
Valley to a left turn at what would become Harriman toward Middletown,
and on . . .
>
> 2. A branch from Greycourt to Newburgh, via Vail's Gate.
>
> 3. A cutoff (even then; the Newburgh Cutoff or "Short Line") to link
the mainline with the Newburgh Branch at (or near) Vail's Gate (Vail's
Gate Jct; What? You expected Tuxedo Junction?)
>
> 4. The junction at Harriman became -- what? ("NJ" gives you a clue
>
> 4. The Graham Line, which found it convenient to assume, subsume or
consume the Newburgh Short Cut along the East face of Schunemunk
Mountain and took the name of the point of juncture from what already
existed.
>
> Yet again -- WHEN dictates WHAT.
>
> Randy Brown
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> Hi folks,
>
> Here's a question regarding "Newburgh Junction" (or "NJ") - I always
read this as the junction of the Main Line and the Graham Line
> in Harriman, NY. However, on older Erie maps, "Newburgh Jct" was
located on the Main Line just east of Greycourt, where the
> Newburgh Branch came off.
>
> So... which was the "correct" Newburgh Jct.?
>
> - Paul
>
>
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