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From: "V DOT C DOT Stagnitto" stagnitv AT verizon DOT net
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 12:51:31 -0500
Subject: Re: (erielack) Newburgh Jct - old and/or new?
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Hi Ray,

Thanks for the enlightening information. I've never seen any reference
to Arden Jct. before. I don't think the hamlet was even called Arden
back in 1869; I thought that came after Harriman established his estate
there. I believe the are was called Turners or Greenwood at the time
the NY&NB was built. The 1902 USGS map, which precedes the existence of
the Graham Line calls it Newburgh Junction, so it seems like the name
was actually changed prior to the building of the Graham Line.

Most of the NY&NB has been abandoned for about 75 years, except for the
northern most portion which still operated in EL years as the Vails Gate
Industrial Spur (and still exists today owned by CSX) and, as we've
discussed, the southern most portion which became part of the Graham
Line. Quite a bit of the remnants of the line are still visible,
however. Some of the right of way can be seen while driving up the NY
Thruway at this time of year.

One question I've never been able to find the answer to, however, is how
the NY&NB crossed the NYO&W in the vicinity of Mountainville. The
crossing would only have been a couple of hundred feet from where the
Northbound Thruway crosses the O&W. =46rom the lay of the land, I
suspect that the Shortcut crossed over the O&W on a bridge, but I've
never seen any photos or documented evidence of that. I've, certainly,
never seen any mention of a grade crossing being there in an old Erie
Timetable. Attached is an aerial photo of the crossing area. Have you
any knowledge of this?

Vinnie

On Jan 11, 2014, at 10:03 AM, EriePacific@aol.com wrote:

>
> Hi Paul, Vinne,
>
> The original Newburgh Branch, opening in 1850 -- and also serving as
a
> through route for the NY&NE (later, the CNE, then NYNH&H) from New
England to
> Dunkirk, NY by 1851 (via ferry across the Hudson River from Fishkill

> Landing/Beacon NY) -- as built from Newburgh to Greycourt, joined the
Main Line
> at Greycourt as what was known as Greycourt Junction (not "Newburgh

> Junction" just to clarify any misconception there). When the
Newburgh Short Line
> was built (orginally, by the Newburgh & New York RR and turned over
to the
> Erie) in 1869 from Vails Gate Junction, the junction with the Erie
Main Line
> for this short cut was built in Harriman just where it is today (at

> today's "NJ"). However, it was called Arden Junction then. There
was no
> "Newburgh Junction" designation at this time, and yes, this was all
long before
> the Graham Line was built.
>
> When the Graham Line was built (1904-1908), it joined the Newburgh
Short
> Cut west of Highland Mills' station north of town, closer to Orange

> Turnpike/Windsor Highway (what would later become Route 32). The
juncture of these
> lines became known as Newburgh Junction. Graham Line freight traffic

> would then use the Newburgh Short Line between Newburgh Junction in
Highland
> Mills to Arden Junction in Harriman. After the Newburgh Short Line
got torn
> up, Arden Junction was changed to Newburg Junction ("NJ"), and the
Graham
> Line then included the portion of the existing Newburgh Short Line
through
> Central Valley. There was no longer a junction in Highland Mills.
As we
> all know, the Graham Line crosses Route 32 on a high trestle (of
course not
> to be confused with Moodna), but the Newburgh Short Line crossed
Orange
> Turnpike (Route 32) at grade, just to the west (map direction) of
where the
> Graham Line now crosses overhead of Route 32, and before that
road/Rt. 32
> makes a dip down underneath this trestle.
>
> Ray Wetzel
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 1/10/2014 4:54:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> stagnitv@verizon.net writes:
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> I'm not reading it that way. The dot just to the left of "Greycourt"
is
> where the Newburgh Branch leaves the mainline and where the L&HR
crosses the
> mainline. The dot just to the left of "Newburgh J." is where you see
the
> Newburgh Shortcut leaving the Mainline in Harriman. It's exactly
where the
> Graham Line branches off today.
>
> Vinnie
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 10, 2014, at 4:22 PM, "Paul R. Tupaczewski"

> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Vinnie,
>>
>>> I've never heard junction of the Newburgh Branch, which diverted
from
> the mainline in Greycourt, referred to as Newburgh Junction.
>>
>> This old CNE map labels it as such? Is this an error?
>>
>> http://www.kinglyheirs.com/CNE/CNEphotos/CNE_map_Maximum.jpg
>>
>> - Paul
>>
>>
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