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From: hhaines AT aol DOT com
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 00:01:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Erie K-5 USRA Heavy Pacific by Broadway Limited-HO
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What is being reviewd:
Broadway Limited Inc, HO USRA Heavy Pacific with Paragon Sound, DC/DCC
BLI # 1141 for Erie K-5 #2919
BLI# 1064 for Erie K-5 #2922
Unlettered,BLI #1142 (due late February 2013)\
I was relieved when my dealertold me last October that he found my reserve order for the Broadway LimitedInc. (BLI) Erie USRA Heavy Pacific. I emailed it to him February 2007--it wason backorder. I was hoping to get a K5 or K5a for my 1930s passenger and/orlate 1940s commuter trains. While waiting, I was able to acquire a Key Importbrass K-5a, 1941 version for a lot more money (and yes, there is a photo of itin March 1941 before rebuilt).

The BLI heavy Pacific model arrived January 11,2013. The short story--the BLI model was worth the wait. For those interested:

PROTOTYPE: USRA developed several “heavy” locomotivedesigns to help move trains for World War I. The Erie Railroad was the only oneto receive 20 heavy Pacifics under USRA administration, although the design wascopied many times. BLI supplies two number--#2919 and #2922. The correspondingprototype locomotives came to the Erie Railroad from Baldwin in June 1919 (2919Sn 51857; 2922 Serial number 51931, page92, Railroad History #131 (Erie Railroad), The Railway & LocomotiveHistorical Society, Inc.. Boston MA. Autumn 1974.) Each had 31 years ofservice. #2922 was scrapped at Luria Brothers, Buffalo NY April 24, 1950 and#2919 was scrapped at the same location August 2, 1950 (page 76,D. Biernacki,1992, image on Fallen Flags). Between June 1922 and 1926, Automatic Train Stop (ATS) was added to locomotives working the Delaware Division east, and #2919 was one of the first K-5s to have it applied. ATS had the effect of segragating locomotives into "east" end and "west" end groups (p 12, Biernacki, 1992). BLI has supplied a number for each group. Later, it was applied to all.

These steam locomotives wentthrough upgrades and changes as detailed in Dan Biernacki’s “ERIE USRA HeavyPacifics” (ELHS, 1992). Dan’s book helped me identify that neither of theselocomotives received the major re-build in the 1940/41 time frame (e.g. newframe, air pumps on pilot, etc). Both locomotives had spoked wheels for most oftheir lives, and a 10,000 gallon USRA tender. The tenders were soon modified afterreceipt increasing the coal capacity from 14 tons (as in the BLI model) to 20tons of coal. Erie replaced the USRA high speed tender trucks (as on the BLImodel) with Commonweath drop equalized trucks. #2922 used a 24-ton (Berkshire) tender forabout a year (around 1946), and also received a set or two of Boxpok driversbetween 1946-1948. My review of in-printphotos helped timing of these changes using as many published photo referencesas I have.

BLI USRA Heavy Pacific MODEL:
The BLI HO-scale USRA heavyPacific represents an “as-built” Erie K-5 and comes with Paragon 2 DC/DCC. Fromthe BLI website “…BLI's models follow the original designs closely. Railroad specific variations are not modeledon these locomotives….” This is a wise choice because of the many changes throughoutthe years. In this case, it appears easier to add detail than to remove it. All the major sizes are exact or very closeto the Key Imports (Samhougusa) model and K-5 “as delivered” drawings in DanBiernacki’s book. One difference is that the drivers on the BLI model appear tobe smaller than the Key Imports—almost a 1/16 of an actual inch. However, thelocomotives still stand the same height above the (HO) railhead (15’ 5” orthereabouts).

The K-5’s first paint schemewas the USRA-standard, with a white “US” on the tender side and a white “Erie”at the top of the coal bin as in a 1919 Secaucus NJ photo of K5 #2930 (page i,Biernacki, 1992). Builders photos show anexpress style (Seriff) “Erie” in Dulux Gold on the tender sides of #2926 and2924, engine number on the cab and sand box, and white running boards, (also in1919, p 214 The Erie Lackawanna Story,Carleton 1974) and p114, The Erie RR Story, respectively). The third K-5paint scheme (as on the models) replaced the Dulux Gold Erie with the ball anddiamond logo encircling an express lettering “Erie” inside the ball—I wouldcall it the first Diamond. There is oneshot with #2923 with this Diamond in 1923 (The Erie RR Story, Carleton).

BLI MODEL TENDER, 10,000gallons, 14 tons of coal, high-speed USRA trucks.
The models’ tender is the “asdelivered” USRA tender. It is painted for the first Erie Diamond. The Diamond could have been on theselocomotive tenders as early as 1923, and it lasted until 1940-1942 when themore modern Diamond was applied. (Erie Railroad Steam Locomotive Paint Standards, DanielG. Biernacki. The DIAMOND, Vol 7 No 1 pgs 18-21, 1992).

I was unable to determineexact dates when the prototypes received the various Diamonds. As above, itcould have been as early as 1923. A 1927 image of #2919 shows the first Diamondon the tender. Two other pictures date the 2nd version of the Diamond between 1939 (old) and1942 (new). Locomotive #2922’s image was caught with the first Diamond in a1933 shot. Dan Biernacki’s Diamond article(V7, #2, p19) article states #2922 received the modern Erie Diamond in 1940—oneof the first K5s to do so.

BLI’s model K5 tender’slettering might then be appropriate for the 1923-to-1942 era. Other tender detailsneeded post-1927 would include the addition of side boards (adding 6-tons ofcoal to the tender), a different tender stirrup, a longitudinal water hatch, andthe replacement of the USRA trucks with drop-equalized Commonwealth trucks. Pleasesee the side-by-side photo with the BLI #2919 in front for comparison, at aslight elevated angle, clearly showing the raised tender boards on #2935 (1941version).

BLI K-5 LOCOMOTIVE
I attach a picture of theMarch 1939 steam locomotive K-5 drawing, the Key Import’s 1941 K-5a #2935, andthe BLI #2919. The BLI model shows the USRA-delivered bell setting, headlight, pilotsteps, lack of Elesco feedwater heater, lack of drift valves on the cylinder,older-style sanding valves, original placement of the generator, lowover-the-cylinder walk way, different reverse, different safety valves, differenttender trucks and step, cab roof rain gutter, lack of cab smoke deflector, andalthough you cannot see it from this angle, a different hatch on the water tank—allvery original to these locomotives. I have tried to put a table togethercomparing these details of the USRA-delivery, the BLI model, and the twoprototype numbers. These are just some of changes pictured over the years.

OPERATION:
I await a performance reviewin the model press. My performance tests are more subjective—it is good to go ifthe model looks good, and hauls the train I want, where I want. Prototypically, the K5 and K5a class wouldhaul up to 12 heavyweight passenger cars before another section of the trainwas made (Biernacki, 1992). K-5s seldom doubleheaded, but there are pictures ofthem doing so with other K-, N-, and S- class locomotives—see Dirkes and Krause’sRoute of the Erie Limited.

A 12-passenger car train on myDC layout is not realistic-yet. I ran the BLI K-5 with a 7-car (4-NWSL Erieheavyweight brass, 3-Rapido) passenger train (DC). That length covers theentire curve while going up grade. The locomotive pulled the train up the 3%grade rounding the 25.5” radius curve at passenger speed without any problem.

A run on my friend’sDCC-(Digitrak)-layout made me want to get DCC. No passenger train was available, but the K-5 pulled a 16-car freight(all NMRA weighted, about the same legnth as a passenger train) around his double-decked layout at passengerspeed (step 54 on the 128 step speed range) without any problems. Thelocomotive did not even slow or pull hard up the 2.6% 30-inch radius helix, oraround the 22-inch secondary curves. Sound was adjusted by double clicking the F8 key—as in thedirections.

TABLE COMPARISON of BLI Erie K-5 with USRA prototype, and Erie #2919 and 2922 Modifications




Item



BLI Model



USRA 1919



Erie year 1928-30



Erie #2919 and #2922





Bell



Angle-swing



Angle-swing (rope pull)



Mounted, air striker



2919-bell-pedastal platform by 1943, air striker





Pilot & steps



USRA



USRA



Updated on both









Marker lights



USRA



USRA



10-2 positioning









Headlight



USRA



USRA platform



Pyle National, 1st on shelf on smBx door



Pyle National mounted on Smoke box door





Smoke box Door hinges



Small



Small



Small



Small





Feed water heater



None, possible tall stack



None



Elesco & taller stack, pipes inside smoke box



Early 1940s, feedwater pipes moved outside smoke box.





Elesco pipes



None



None



Pipes in smokebox



1940-pipes outside smk box





Drive wheels



<79” (77.75?)



79”







79”, 2919—always spoked 2922 spoked until 1948 Main driver Boxpok





Over cylinder walk



Low



Low, as built



Middle of air tank, both









Drifter valves



None



None



1st arrangement by 1936 (both)



2nd arr. 2919 by 1939, #2922- by 1946





Safety valves



3



3



Small then larger shroud



2 with tilt air activated whistle





Reverse



Raggonet



Raggonet



Precision type, 1927 –on



Both





Air pumps



Westinghouse cross- compound



Westinghouse X compound



NY air pump in mid-1920s, then back to Xcompound



NO air pumps on pilot





Generator



Smoke box b4 stack



Smoke box b4 stack



Moved to cab front, then fireman’s side



Fireman’s side Single & dual exhaust mufflers, see pics





Cab smoke deflector



None



None



No images



By 1936 –both





Rain gutter



Yes



Yes



Yes



Only over window





Injector valves, eng side



None



None



None



Both by 1943





Tender



USRA



14 ton, 10k gal



Sheet metal added to 20-tons



1946-2922 had 24-ton for 1 year





Tender Trucks



USRA high speed



USRA high speed



Erie switched to commonwealth +









Herald



1st Diamond



US/Erie



1st Diamond (2919-1923? #2922 (?)



2922-1936 First Diamond in 1st pic w dia)





Trailing truck



composite



composite



Composite






















































SUMMARY
I am impressed with the BLI K-5, and may purchase anundecorated one to add an Elesco feedwater heater, increase tender coal capacity, andother details—I’m not sure where I’d get the updated pilot. I found 8-images of #2919, and 10-pictures of #2922 out of about 100 K-5 pictures cataloged so far from the references below.

Howard Haines, Helena, MT. ELHS and ELDCPS member

References
“Diamond Volume 2 No1 p5 -14Tenders

“Diamond Volume 7 No 1, “ErieRailroad Steam Locomotive Paint Standards”
Daniel Biernacki pages 18-21,1992.

“Erie Memories,” by Edward J.Crist. Quadrant Press, 1993. 162 pp.

"Erie Power, by FredWesting. Alvin Staufer, 1974.

“Erie Railroad In Color,” byDavid R. Sweetland. Morning Sun Books, 1991. 128 pp.

“ERIE Steam Locomotives andTrains—Photographed in Northern New Jersey 1933-1937,” by Robert K. Durham.Auburn PA, 1995.

“ERIE USRA Heavy Pacifics,”by Daniel G. Biernacki, ELHS, 1992.

“Erie Railroad Trackside with Robert F.Collins,” by Larry DeYoung. Morning Sun Books, Scotch Plaines, NJ. 1998.

“Erie Steam LocomotiveDiagrams March 1939,” tenders as of August 1938. Reprinted by the Middletownand New Jersey Railway Historical Society. Blueprint inverse 2/page of Raymond W. Brown.

“The Erie Railroad in NorthJersey December 1950-December 1951,” by Charles Caldes. Journal SquarePublishing, Ridgefield NJ. 2011.

"The Erie RailroadStory" by Paul Carleton, D. Carleton Railbooks, Carleton Press. 1988.

“The Erie-Lackawanna Story,”by Paul Carleton. D. Carleton Rail Books, 1974.

“Route of The Erie Limited,”by Rod Dirkes and John Krause. Three Star Productions/Carstens Publications.1986.

“Trackside Erie to Conrailwith Robert F. Collins,” by John R. Canfield. Morning Sun Books, Scotch Plains,NJ. 2010.



http://www.broadway-limited.com/1064usralightpacificerie2922paragon2sounddcdccho.aspx

What is being reviewd:
Broadway Limited Inc, HO USRA Heavy Pacific with Paragon Sound, DC/DCC
BLI # 1141 for Erie K-5 #2919
BLI# 1064 for Erie K-5 #2922
Unlettered,BLI #1142 (due late February 2013)\
I was relieved when my dealertold me last October that he found my reserve order for the Broadway LimitedInc. (BLI) Erie USRA Heavy Pacific. I emailed it to him February 2007--it wason backorder. I was hoping to get a K5 or K5a for my 1930s passenger and/orlate 1940s commuter trains. While waiting, I was able to acquire a Key Importbrass K-5a, 1941 version for a lot more money (and yes, there is a photo of itin March 1941 before rebuilt).

The BLI heavy Pacific model arrived January 11,2013. The short story--the BLI model was worth the wait. For those interested:

PROTOTYPE: USRA developed several “heavy” locomotivedesigns to help move trains for World War I. The Erie Railroad was the only oneto receive 20 heavy Pacifics under USRA administration, although the design wascopied many times. BLI supplies two number--#2919 and #2922. The correspondingprototype locomotives came to the Erie Railroad from Baldwin in June 1919 (2919Sn 51857; 2922 Serial number 51931, page92, Railroad History #131 (Erie Railroad), The Railway & LocomotiveHistorical Society, Inc.. Boston MA. Autumn 1974.) Each had 31 years ofservice. #2922 was scrapped at Luria Brothers, Buffalo NY April 24, 1950 and#2919 was scrapped at the same location August 2, 1950 (page 76,D. Biernacki,1992, image on Fallen Flags). Between June 1922 and 1926, Automatic Train Stop (ATS) was added to locomotives working the Delaware Division east, and #2919 was one of the first K-5s to have it applied. ATS had the effect of segragating locomotives into "east" end and "west" end groups (p 12, Biernacki, 1992). BLI has supplied a number for each group. Later, it was applied to all.

These steam locomotives wentthrough upgrades and changes as detailed in Dan Biernacki’s “ERIE USRA HeavyPacifics” (ELHS, 1992). Dan’s book helped me identify that neither of theselocomotives received the major re-build in the 1940/41 time frame (e.g. newframe, air pumps on pilot, etc). Both locomotives had spoked wheels for most oftheir lives, and a 10,000 gallon USRA tender. The tenders were soon modified afterreceipt increasing the coal capacity from 14 tons (as in the BLI model) to 20tons of coal. Erie replaced the USRA high speed tender trucks (as on the BLImodel) with Commonweath drop equalized trucks. #2922 used a 24-ton (Berkshire) tender forabout a year (around 1946), and also received a set or two of Boxpok driversbetween 1946-1948. My review of in-printphotos helped timing of these changes using as many published photo referencesas I have.

BLI USRA Heavy Pacific MODEL:
The BLI HO-scale USRA heavyPacific represents an “as-built” Erie K-5 and comes with Paragon 2 DC/DCC. Fromthe BLI website “…BLI's models follow the original designs closely. Railroad specific variations are not modeledon these locomotives….” This is a wise choice because of the many changes throughoutthe years. In this case, it appears easier to add detail than to remove it. All the major sizes are exact or very closeto the Key Imports (Samhougusa) model and K-5 “as delivered” drawings in DanBiernacki’s book. One difference is that the drivers on the BLI model appear tobe smaller than the Key Imports—almost a 1/16 of an actual inch. However, thelocomotives still stand the same height above the (HO) railhead (15’ 5” orthereabouts).

The K-5’s first paint schemewas the USRA-standard, with a white “US” on the tender side and a white “Erie”at the top of the coal bin as in a 1919 Secaucus NJ photo of K5 #2930 (page i,Biernacki, 1992). Builders photos show anexpress style (Seriff) “Erie” in Dulux Gold on the tender sides of #2926 and2924, engine number on the cab and sand box, and white running boards, (also in1919, p 214 The Erie Lackawanna Story,Carleton 1974) and p114, The Erie RR Story, respectively). The third K-5paint scheme (as on the models) replaced the Dulux Gold Erie with the ball anddiamond logo encircling an express lettering “Erie” inside the ball—I wouldcall it the first Diamond. There is oneshot with #2923 with this Diamond in 1923 (The Erie RR Story, Carleton).

BLI MODEL TENDER, 10,000gallons, 14 tons of coal, high-speed USRA trucks.
The models’ tender is the “asdelivered” USRA tender. It is painted for the first Erie Diamond. The Diamond could have been on theselocomotive tenders as early as 1923, and it lasted until 1940-1942 when themore modern Diamond was applied. (Erie Railroad Steam Locomotive Paint Standards, DanielG. Biernacki. The DIAMOND, Vol 7 No 1 pgs 18-21, 1992).

I was unable to determineexact dates when the prototypes received the various Diamonds. As above, itcould have been as early as 1923. A 1927 image of #2919 shows the first Diamondon the tender. Two other pictures date the 2nd version of the Diamond between 1939 (old) and1942 (new). Locomotive #2922’s image was caught with the first Diamond in a1933 shot. Dan Biernacki’s Diamond article(V7, #2, p19) article states #2922 received the modern Erie Diamond in 1940—oneof the first K5s to do so.

BLI’s model K5 tender’slettering might then be appropriate for the 1923-to-1942 era. Other tender detailsneeded post-1927 would include the addition of side boards (adding 6-tons ofcoal to the tender), a different tender stirrup, a longitudinal water hatch, andthe replacement of the USRA trucks with drop-equalized Commonwealth trucks. Pleasesee the side-by-side photo with the BLI #2919 in front for comparison, at aslight elevated angle, clearly showing the raised tender boards on #2935 (1941version).

BLI K-5 LOCOMOTIVE
I attach a picture of theMarch 1939 steam locomotive K-5 drawing, the Key Import’s 1941 K-5a #2935, andthe BLI #2919. The BLI model shows the USRA-delivered bell setting, headlight, pilotsteps, lack of Elesco feedwater heater, lack of drift valves on the cylinder,older-style sanding valves, original placement of the generator, lowover-the-cylinder walk way, different reverse, different safety valves, differenttender trucks and step, cab roof rain gutter, lack of cab smoke deflector, andalthough you cannot see it from this angle, a different hatch on the water tank—allvery original to these locomotives. I have tried to put a table togethercomparing these details of the USRA-delivery, the BLI model, and the twoprototype numbers. These are just some of changes pictured over the years.

OPERATION:
I await a performance reviewin the model press. My performance tests are more subjective—it is good to go ifthe model looks good, and hauls the train I want, where I want. Prototypically, the K5 and K5a class wouldhaul up to 12 heavyweight passenger cars before another section of the trainwas made (Biernacki, 1992). K-5s seldom doubleheaded, but there are pictures ofthem doing so with other K-, N-, and S- class locomotives—see Dirkes and Krause’sRoute of the Erie Limited.

A 12-passenger car train on myDC layout is not realistic-yet. I ran the BLI K-5 with a 7-car (4-NWSL Erieheavyweight brass, 3-Rapido) passenger train (DC). That length covers theentire curve while going up grade. The locomotive pulled the train up the 3%grade rounding the 25.5” radius curve at passenger speed without any problem.

A run on my friend’sDCC-(Digitrak)-layout made me want to get DCC. No passenger train was available, but the K-5 pulled a 16-car freight(all NMRA weighted, about the same legnth as a passenger train) around his double-decked layout at passengerspeed (step 54 on the 128 step speed range) without any problems. Thelocomotive did not even slow or pull hard up the 2.6% 30-inch radius helix, oraround the 22-inch secondary curves. Sound was adjusted by double clicking the F8 key—as in thedirections.

TABLE COMPARISON of BLI Erie K-5 with USRA prototype, and Erie #2919 and 2922 Modifications




Item



BLI Model



USRA 1919



Erie year 1928-30



Erie #2919 and #2922





Bell



Angle-swing



Angle-swing (rope pull)



Mounted, air striker



2919-bell-pedastal platform by 1943, air striker





Pilot & steps



USRA



USRA



Updated on both









Marker lights



USRA



USRA



10-2 positioning









Headlight



USRA



USRA platform



Pyle National, 1st on shelf on smBx door



Pyle National mounted on Smoke box door





Smoke box Door hinges



Small



Small



Small



Small





Feed water heater



None, possible tall stack



None



Elesco & taller stack, pipes inside smoke box



Early 1940s, feedwater pipes moved outside smoke box.





Elesco pipes



None



None



Pipes in smokebox



1940-pipes outside smk box





Drive wheels



<79” (77.75?)



79”







79”, 2919—always spoked 2922 spoked until 1948 Main driver Boxpok





Over cylinder walk



Low



Low, as built



Middle of air tank, both









Drifter valves



None



None



1st arrangement by 1936 (both)



2nd arr. 2919 by 1939, #2922- by 1946





Safety valves



3



3



Small then larger shroud



2 with tilt air activated whistle





Reverse



Raggonet



Raggonet



Precision type, 1927 –on



Both





Air pumps



Westinghouse cross- compound



Westinghouse X compound



NY air pump in mid-1920s, then back to Xcompound



NO air pumps on pilot





Generator



Smoke box b4 stack



Smoke box b4 stack



Moved to cab front, then fireman’s side



Fireman’s side Single & dual exhaust mufflers, see pics





Cab smoke deflector



None



None



No images



By 1936 –both





Rain gutter



Yes



Yes



Yes



Only over window





Injector valves, eng side



None



None



None



Both by 1943





Tender



USRA



14 ton, 10k gal



Sheet metal added to 20-tons



1946-2922 had 24-ton for 1 year





Tender Trucks



USRA high speed



USRA high speed



Erie switched to commonwealth +









Herald



1st Diamond



US/Erie



1st Diamond (2919-1923? #2922 (?)



2922-1936 First Diamond in 1st pic w dia)





Trailing truck



composite



composite



Composite






















































SUMMARY
I am impressed with the BLI K-5, and may purchase anundecorated one to add an Elesco feedwater heater, increase tender coal capacity, andother details—I’m not sure where I’d get the updated pilot. I found 8-images of #2919, and 10-pictures of #2922 out of about 100 K-5 pictures cataloged so far from the references below.

Howard Haines, Helena, MT. ELHS and ELDCPS member

References
“Diamond Volume 2 No1 p5 -14Tenders

“Diamond Volume 7 No 1, “ErieRailroad Steam Locomotive Paint Standards”
Daniel Biernacki pages 18-21,1992.

“Erie Memories,” by Edward J.Crist. Quadrant Press, 1993. 162 pp.

"Erie Power, by FredWesting. Alvin Staufer, 1974.

“Erie Railroad In Color,” byDavid R. Sweetland. Morning Sun Books, 1991. 128 pp.

“ERIE Steam Locomotives andTrains—Photographed in Northern New Jersey 1933-1937,” by Robert K. Durham.Auburn PA, 1995.

“ERIE USRA Heavy Pacifics,”by Daniel G. Biernacki, ELHS, 1992.

“Erie Railroad Trackside with Robert F.Collins,” by Larry DeYoung. Morning Sun Books, Scotch Plaines, NJ. 1998.

“Erie Steam LocomotiveDiagrams March 1939,” tenders as of August 1938. Reprinted by the Middletownand New Jersey Railway Historical Society. Blueprint inverse 2/page of Raymond W. Brown.

“The Erie Railroad in NorthJersey December 1950-December 1951,” by Charles Caldes. Journal SquarePublishing, Ridgefield NJ. 2011.

"The Erie RailroadStory" by Paul Carleton, D. Carleton Railbooks, Carleton Press. 1988.

“The Erie-Lackawanna Story,”by Paul Carleton. D. Carleton Rail Books, 1974.

“Route of The Erie Limited,”by Rod Dirkes and John Krause. Three Star Productions/Carstens Publications.1986.

“Trackside Erie to Conrailwith Robert F. Collins,” by John R. Canfield. Morning Sun Books, Scotch Plains,NJ. 2010.



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