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From: "William E DOT Botkin" webotkin AT ecentral DOT com
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 20:48:50 -0700
Subject: Re: (erielack) DL&W HW Parlor Cars
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Folks,

For some reason the attached PDF file of the Walthers car wasn't posted.
I'll try this again.

Bill Botkin
----- Original Message -----
From: "William E DOT Botkin"
To: "Michael Mang" ; "Erie Lackawanna List"

Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 8:41 PM
Subject: (erielack) DL&W HW Parlor Cars


> Michael and all,
>
> Posted is a photo of the Walthers 28-1 parlor car. Does anyone know if
> this
> the one that matches the DL&W "Julia Ward Howe" or "Virginia Dare"? No
> one
> has turned up a photo of either in DL&W service as yet.
>
> Based on the feedback thus far, it appears as though both may have been
> repainted in GMY about the time of the introduction of the LW equipment in
> 1949.
>
> Does any one know for sure? What trains were these used on?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Bill Botkin
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Mang"
> To: "Erie Lackawanna List"
> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 2:28 PM
> Subject: RE: (erielack) parlor cars
>
>
>> The cars were sold to the DL&W in late 1945 (according to Tom Madden's
>> Pullman car construction record database).
>>
>> I have believed that the DL&W's passenger cars were not painted GMY until
>> the delivery of the Phoebe Snow lightweight cars in 1949 or so. If that's
>> the case, then the parlors quite possibly could have been in a green
>> Lackawanna scheme in that period.
>>
>> I have found one picture of "Julia Ward Howe" in service in 1969 on the
>> LIRR
>> with new windows as the "Shinnecock".
>>
>> http://www.mindspring.com/~jhdeasy/lirr/heavyweight_shinnecock.html
>>
>>
>> Michael Mang
>>
>>
>>> > Art - Is the Walthers car you are referring to termed
>>> > "Pullman Heavyweight
>>> > 28-1 Parlor Car" by Walthers? If so, it is available in
>>> > Pullman Green with the "Pullman" letterboard, Cat# 932-10301.
>>> > The undec version is #932-10300.
>>>
>>> Bill Greenberg, the DL&W passenger car guru who gave me the list of
>>> names for the decals sets, noted that the three cars in question were
>>> painted GMY, and he didn't have records of them in Pullman Green and
>>> DL&W lettering (I suppose they were Pullman cars at that point?)
>>>
>>> Just an FYI...
>>>
>>> - Paul
>>>
>>
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