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From: mail AT joshuakblay DOT com
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 21:25:09 -0500
Subject: RE: (erielack) DL&W station signs... a survey
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I just went through my views of the Cortland station for a modeling project. Please find the attached two detail views of the both the north end (John Picket) and the south end (Ed Weber) signs.

Roger- I'd be curious to see what you have. I'd gladly share what I have as well.

NYSW had replicas made up for the Cortland and Marathon stations about 15 years ago.

Joshua

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From: Roger Clare [mailto:roger DOT clare AT gmail DOT com]
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 3:28 PM
To: EL Mail List
Subject: Re: (erielack) DL&W station signs... a survey

Paul-

Thanks for an excellent compilation of signs!

Noted that Cortland NY is missing. My collection of old photos show no signs at all, with the exeption of one Postcard which shows a [curv - RR] type sign on the end of the platform roof. However in Susquehanna days, these signs (or new copies) were hung from the roof edge on both ends and over the waiting room door trackside.

Roger Clare



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> This topic recently came up on Facebook, and last night I felt compelled to do some research...
>
> Bob Bahrs was wondering that the correlation between station sign
> style (rectangle versus rectangle with curves cut out of the
> corners) and station style typefaces. So I went through my collection
> and tried to get a survey of all the signs (at least all the ones I
> have photos of in my collection)
>
> I've attached the survey (sorry it's separate screens, it was the only
> way I could find to export an Excel spreadsheet). The first column has the station name, second column is the sign shape, and the third column is the typeface.
>
> There are two shapes: "rect" for rectangular, and "curv" for curves-cut-of-corners rectangular.
>
> There are a number of typefaces:
> * "RR" - Railroad Roman, the most common DL&W typeface
> * "WR" - "Wicked" Roman, my term for the lightweight Roman typeface
> with point angled serifs
> * "Olde English" - self-descriptive
> * "WS" - "Western" block typeface
>
> As you can see, the vast majority of the signs are
> curved-corner-cutout with Railroad Roman lettering. The two stations with the Olde English signs (and Lake Hopatcong really belongs here as well) are from very affluent neighborhoods.
>
> There are only a small number of rectangular signs with Railroad Roman
> lettering, all in NJ: Berkeley Heights, Boonton, Lincoln Park, Millburn, Short Hills, South Orange and Totowa-Little Falls.
>
> Two stations (Denville and Lyons) both have a different version of
> Roman that I call "standard Roman", which lacks the heavier strokes that Railroad Roman does.
>
> Mountain View, NJ has a completely unique Block lettering typeface
> (any theories here?)
>
> All of the "Wicked Roman" signs were rectangular, with the exception
> of Far Hills, which got a curved corner sign. I don't know the
> significance of the towns that received them, but I do have a theory that these signs were replacements for their original signs, and the "font of choice" when they were replaced was this "Wicked Roman."
>
> Lastly, two stations - Chatham and Convent, NJ - both had the thick
> square serif "Western" style typeface (and Chatham also displayed
> Wicked Roman on some of its signs as well)
>
> Now for the caveats/observations:
>
> * For a railroad that prided itself on standardization there seemed to
> be a lack of that on the Railroad Roman signs. Some signs used a
> smaller typeface (resulting in a thicker "black border"), while some used a larger typeface (or perhaps a smaller board?) that just barely fit on the wood.
> * Also, the shorter sign names (like Espy or Tully) were put on very small boards, almost cut to fit the length of the word.
>
> So this survey is not overly specific, but just to pick out the basic
> typefaces and signs. If anyone has photos of stations I might have missed (or corrections/additions to what I have here), I'd love to hear from you!
>
> - Paul
>
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