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From: "Rich Behrendt" rbehrendt AT columbus DOT rr DOT com
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:20:25 -0400
Subject: Re: (erielack) Erie station colors (2)
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Although I can't attest to whether this was used on stations, but when in
came time to repaint AC Tower in Marion, the various paint colors were
removed down to what we believe existed during the 1950's, which was cream
w/the dark green trim - see attached photo of the Kenton Ave. watchman's
shanty we acquired recently and painted similiarly...

Rich Behrendt
ELHS #384
(also w/the Marion Union Station Assoc.)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph A DOT Braun"
To: "'EL Mailing List'"
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 12:21 PM
Subject: (erielack) Erie station colors


> While the subject of Erie station colors is again current, let me share
> three previous contributions: two previous EL List posts from 2005 and,
> thirdly, information sent to me from the Piermont Historical Society re
> their Erie depot restoration. In sum, it appears (1) that the light and
> dark
> green station colors we remember in the later Erie years may not have been
> that standardized and (2) that the further one goes back in history there
> may well have been other color schemes used on Erie depots, more
> specifically, shades within the cream-yellow-ochre-brown continuum versus
> the green color family. Joe Braun
>
> _____
>
> 1. Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 08:03:56 -0500 From: Curt csprings@optonline.net
> Subject: (erielack) Pompton Plain Colors .
>
> Having recently repainted the WC tower in Waldwick this very topic came up
> as to color. I visited the AC tower in Marion to get information including
> the color scheme and found that the scheme in light green/gray with dark
> green trim was the result of a bunch of veterans standing around adding
> color tothe building until it look "right". My research suggests that
> there
> was a scheme in the various divisions because they were often from
> different
> companies before being merged. However, I have also heard that the
> specific
> shade was just as likely the result of what the local supplier had when
> the
> crew was sent to get paint with the instructions to get some "dark green
> paint for the trim". The result would be all similar but not identical as
> we
> might see today. We also looked at color photos of other structures near
> by
> and found common a thread of Cream base in our neighborhood. We also
> relied
> on the old color photos (only as far back as the 60's) because we felt
> that
> people would have tended to repaint the building as it was unless there
> had
> been some new scheme defined. I would suggest that some very careful
> disassembly of the station in secluded areas (behind window trim or near
> the
> roof line under some trim on the North side (least likely to have faded)
> you
> will find some remnants of the "original color" or at least the latest.
> Look
> for any new construction that might be hiding the old base building (we
> removed a cabinet inside WC to reveal what we feel is the original
> interior
> colors). We found that WC had a cream base color that was evident on many
> structure in the NY Division when we removed the stairs on the north side
> to
> redo the siding. We painted for the first decade of the 1900's also. If
> they
> have the bucks a color historian may be able to analyze the wood and tell
> them the color. So I have no idea what the "right" color for this station
> is
> and frankly we are likely only arguing over the base color as the trim is
> universally dark green with red sashes. I hope the process we went through
> proves helpful to my neighbors down the road. Curt @ Midvale Station,
> Greenwood Lake Division.
>
> 2. Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:17:16 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: Philip Albano
> palbano@earthlink.netSubject: (erielack) Erie station colors.
>
> The recent thread on station colors reminded me there is some evidence
> that
> the original Erie station color was yellow. On page 178 of Bernard H.
> Sennstrom's fine book Erie Lackawanna West End Volume One (available
> exclusively from the Erie Lackawanna Historical Society - shameless plug)
> reference is made to the C&E (Chicago & Erie) painting stations yellow. I
> recall being in the Spencerville, Ohio station over 40 years ago. There
> was
> a small room for the section gang that somehow had never been painted in
> the
> green and cream colors, probably because it was usually locked and rarely
> used as that section gang had been eliminated/combined with others many
> years ago. The walls were painted yellow, and the paint looked very old
> and
> was faded, cracked and curling. Also I have a painting of the Ramsey, NJ
> station titled "Erie Railroad Main Line at Main Street Crossing 1906" that
> was sold by Railroad Model Craftsman. The date on the print is 1964 and
> the
> artist is Don Wallworth. The Ramsey station is painted yellow (tan?) with
> brown trim. IIRC, Mr. Wallworth was a station agent and later
> Superintendent
> of Stations for the Erie. Presumably he would have known and used correct
> colors for that time period (1906) in his painting. Of course, we all know
> what happens when you "assume"!
>
> 3. Jan 30 2006. Excerpts from an email from Karl Knoecklein re research on
> the colors of the Piermont NY Erie depot. "Bill Elson, pres. of the
> Piermont
> Historical Society and an experienced restoration contractor, and I have
> spent a good bit of time scraping and prying looking for remains of prior
> colors. Its not as easy as some of those TV programs about historic
> research
> make it look. Just when you are convinced that everything was yellow, you
> find a bit of green in another spot. We have no color photos, written
> descriptions or local folks recollections to help us...Currently, out
> thinking holds that the main body of the station was painted a medium
> green
> and the corner moldings and other trim like the criss-cross trim was
> painted
> a medium ochre. We have matched these to several Benjamin Moore color
> chips.
> ..There is evidence of a recent dark green on the corner moulding and
> window
> trim, Tuscan/Burgundy red as a highlight on the window sashs and a light
> green overall painting of the station body... On the subject of Erie
> structures, we are not certain of the exact construction date and whether
> or
> not it was under Erie control from the time of construction. This is
> interesting because many people bring up the concept of standardization of
> paint color throughout the railroad."
>
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