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From: "Paul R DOT Tupaczewski" paultup AT comcast DOT net
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 10:25:29 -0400
Subject: ATSF cars, Subway cars too!
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Charlie Gerow wrote:

> No great mystery, at least to me.The hi-cars i saw in Hoboken
> in the '60's were on the FRONT of the Owl; which implies that
> they were being delivered to Dearborn.

And the photo in the Morning Sun book shows the car right at the front as
well. These weren't being used, they were dead-in-tow....


> Thus, this would have been a one-way movement. Possibly
> routed, Budd to Allentown via RDG, then to P'burg to E-L?
> THEN ON #15 or #9 via Pt. Jervis?

How about Budd-Philly via PRR to Meadows Yard, then to Croxton/Hoboken?



> There are very few photos of NY City subway cars, being
> delivered, Eastbound, also. I've only seen one shot.

There have been a number of shots in various EL books, and there's even
video shot by Emery Gulash on "The Erie Lackawanna Railroad" video from
Green Frog Productions. The cars ALWAYS appeared at the end and seemed to
have a second rider caboose for the crew traveling with the subway cars.

Now, there were different deliveries of cars, too. The cars I reference
above arrived in the late 1960s, I think. These rolled on their own trucks
as part of the train set.

Later deliveries over the EL (and into Conrail) had the cars sitting on
piggyback flats instead - I wonder if there were issues the last time they
pulled them on their own trucks? The attached photo by Rich Campana shows a
CR train in October of 1976 pulling a group of flats on the head end of CR
train NY-72 past the Great Notch, NJ station. The other attached photo shows
switcher #420 moving cars around Croxting in February 1976.

- Paul


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