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From: crnflks AT aol DOT com
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:45:14 -0400
Subject: Re: EL Hoppers / Selkirk, NY
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Caught these this a.m.?at CSX's Selkirk, NY yard on my return home from a business trip to upstate NY.? Appear to be?stone / ballast service.

Bruce S.

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EL Mail List Digest Tuesday, August 12 2008 Volume 03 : Number 2835


Subjects:

Re: (erielack) Re: CNJ Interchange
Re: (erielack) Re: CNJ Interchange
(erielack) Ford-Teterboro
Re: (erielack) Ford-Teterboro
RE: (erielack) Ford-Teterboro
Re: (erielack) Re: CNJ Interchange
Re: (erielack) Re: CNJ Interchange
RE: (erielack) Re: CNJ Interchange
Re: (erielack) Ford-Teterboro
Re: (erielack) Ford-Teterboro
(erielack) Daring Car Robbers Loot Erie Train (July 30, 1921)
(erielack) Once Upon a Time in Hoboken
(erielack) RE: What is wrong with this picture?

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:06:59 -0400
From: "Paul Brezicki"
Subject: Re: (erielack) Re: CNJ Interchange

Aha, now the photo makes sense. In what time frame did BP-1/PB-2 operate? It
must have been Royal Blue-NYC via WS-B&A. This is a good example of creative
route-making during the regulated era. Most CNJ New England traffic, of
course, was interchanged with the New Haven, via both the Alphabet Route and
carfloat to Bay Ridge.

Paul B

Sure. This photo is taken looking towards National
Junction when the New Jersey Junction RR (aka River
Line) was double track plus sidings. EL facilities at
Monmouth Street Coach Yard are out of sight to the
left of the pole line along the Weehawken Branch (not
pictured). The LV coal train in the picture is on a
descending grade after having crossed overhead
EL tracks that lead to the Bergen Tunnel and
underneath several structures that include the EL
Bergen Archways.

In deference to the subject line, I should mention that
CNJ also operated two fast freight trains (PB-1, BP-2)
via the NJ Junction RR, providing fast freight service with
other railroads between Philadelphia and Boston.

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:12:37 -0400
From: "Paul Brezicki"
Subject: Re: (erielack) Re: CNJ Interchange

Jim,

None of the consists from 1975-76 show any cars routed EL-CNJ-EL, and
frankly, I'm dubious that this ever happened unless it was perhaps a
stop-off car. Do you happen to know of any examples?

Paul B

From: "Jim Guthrie"
Subject: Re: (erielack) Re: CNJ Interchange

> Jim, I'm not sure what you mean here. SE-98 was made up of cars consigned
> to customers on the CNJ, not EL. Lake Jct replaced the interchange at
> Taylor when CNJ quit PA. Both locations were logical interchange points
> since they were (more or less) end points of CNJ at their respective
> times. If you're arguing that CNJ shouldn't have existed at all in the EL
> era, I can't agree more, but that's another topic and Conrail took care of
> that redundancy.

Paul --

Traffic destined for CNJ points makes sense, of course, as would westbound
traffic from the CNJ.

But I'm suggesting that interchanging cars to the CNJ at either location --
just to have the CNJ hand the freight back at Weehawken -- is typical of
boneheaded railroading throw-cash-down-the-toilet railroading.

Cheers,
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:24:52 -0400
From: "Paul Brezicki"
Subject: (erielack) Ford-Teterboro

Ford had a plant in Teterboro that received autoparts in boxcars, including
hy-cubes, although in a fraction of the volume of Mahwah. What did Teterboro
produce, and how was it related to the assembly plant at Mahwah? I'm
thinking it may have been an older plant that saw assembly shift to Mahwah
when it was bu
ilt in the late 50's, but continued to produce some parts that
were then trucked to Mahwah.

Paul B


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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:42:06 -0400
From: "Joe K DOT "
Subject: Re: (erielack) Ford-Teterboro

At 06:24 AM 8/11/2008, Paul B wrote:
>Ford had a plant in Teterboro that received autoparts in boxcars,
>including hy-cubes, although in a fraction of the volume of Mahwah.
>What did Teterboro produce, and how was it related to the assembly
>plant at Mahwah? I'm thinking it may have been an older plant that
>saw assembly shift to Mahwah when it was built in the late 50's, but
>continued to produce some parts that were then trucked to Mahwah.
>
>Paul B

Teterboro was a parts distribution center supplying parts to dealers.

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:27:43 -0500
From: "Tupaczewski, Paul R \(Paul\)"
Subject: RE: (erielack) Ford-Teterboro

> >Ford had a plant in Teterboro that received autoparts in boxcars,
> >including hy-cubes, although in a fraction of the volume of Mahwah.
> >What did Teterboro produce, and how was it related to the assembly
> >plant at Mahwah? I'm thinking it may have been an older
> plant that saw
> >assembly shift to Mahwah when it
was built in the late 50's, but
> >continued to produce some parts that were then trucked to Mahwah.
> >
> >Paul B
>
> Teterboro was a parts distribution center supplying parts to dealers.
>
> Joe K.


And this distribution center FAR outlasted the Mahwah assembly facility,
only having closed within the last 3-4 years.

- Paul

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:18:56 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: Jim Guthrie
Subject: Re: (erielack) Re: CNJ Interchange

>route-making during the regulated era. Most CNJ New England traffic, of
>course, was interchanged with the New Haven, via both the Alphabet Route and
>carfloat to Bay Ridge.

The CNJ (and other railroads) did not have rights to operate anything int o Bay
Ridge to the New Haven. All float traffic would be to Port Morris. Where the
railroads interchanged via float was always the bane of transportation planners.
For example, most New Haven-LIRR interchange was via the floats between LIC and
Port Morris -- NOT over the Hell Gate Bridge, for example (The exception being
the Meat Trains off the New Haven which came to Fremont -- pulled by an EF
motor, which shoved it back into Freshpond, where a DD-1 would grab it and take
the cut to packing plants at Flatbush Avenue -- one of two the only
Electric-to-Electric freight handoffs handoff in the U.S). Even PRR interchange
with the LIRR was done at Long Island City, not Bay Ridge.

In fact -- I don't believe you'll find any railroad at any time other than the
PRR going into Bay Ridge. Certainly DL&W, Erie and E-L float business to Long
Island went via Long Island City.

That's not to say there wasn't **any** float business to Brooklyn from the
Jersey railroads, but it would represent local delivery to Bush Terminal an
d the
South Brooklyn Railway.

Going back to the "good old days" there was substantial triffic in boxcars of
ice from the DL&W (via Hoboken) and Wilkes Barre and Eastern (via NYS&W/Erie
floats) was routed this way to points on the SBK, for example. But not via the
LIRR and Bay Ridge.

Cheers,
Jim Guthrie
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:22:54 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: Jim Guthrie
Subject: Re: (erielack) Re: CNJ Interchange

>None of the consists from 1975-76 show any cars routed EL-CNJ-EL, and
>frankly, I'm dubious that this ever happened unless it was perhaps a
>stop-off car. Do you happen to know of any examples?

Must be my error -- I thought the original thread asked about the interchange
off SE98 being moved to Lake Jct instead of Weehawken.

Cheers,
Jim Guthrie
ELHS1296

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:32:05 -0500
From: "Tupaczewski, Paul R \(Paul\)"
Subject: RE: (erielack) Re: CNJ Interchange

> In fact -- I don't believe you'll find any railroad at any
> time other than the PRR going into Bay Ridge. Certainly DL&W,
> Erie and E-L float business to Long Island went via Long Island City.
>
> That's not to say there wasn't **any** float business to
> Brooklyn from the Jersey railroads, but it would represent
> local delivery to Bush
Terminal and the South Brooklyn Railway.


The SF-100 consist sheet I posted a few years back here (full article
coming soon in the Diamond, if I get get a day or two to finish up my
manuscript :) supports this - there are several cars for interchange
with the LIRR and BEDT via floatbridge, all for local customers on both.

I think Jim's hit the nail on the head here - all New England traffic
usually went over the Poughkeepsie Bridge (hence those giant train the
NH used to run in and out of Maybrook).

But how was this traffic routed post-1974 when the bridge burned? Run up
and interchanged with the PC at Utica?

- Paul

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:25:09 -0400
From: dlw1el2 AT aol DOT com
Subject: Re: (erielack) Ford-Teterboro

Paul
Teterboro had nothing to do with assembly. It was a parts distribution ware
house.? Got every type of part imaginable in a car in? via rail cars and?
trucks, and everything go distributed via truck.? Finally closed about 5-6 years
ago.

Bob Bahrs

Ford had a plant in Teterboro that received autoparts in boxcars, including
hy-cubes, although in a fraction of the volume of Mahwah. What did Teterboro
produce, and how was it related to the assembly plant at Mahwah? I'm thinking it
may have been an older plant that saw assembly shift to Mahwah when it was built
in the late 50's, but continued to produce some parts that were then trucked to
Mahwah



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From: Paul Brezicki
To: EL Mailing List ; Keith Robbins

Sent: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 6:24 am
Subject: (erielack) Ford-Teterboro


Ford had a plant in Teterboro that received autoparts in boxca
rs, including
hy-cubes, although in a fraction of the volume of Mahwah. What did Teterboro
produce, and how was it related to the assembly plant at Mahwah? I'm thinking it
may have been an older plant that saw assembly shift to Mahwah when it was built
in the late 50's, but continued to produce some parts that were then trucked to
Mahwah.?
?
Paul B ?
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:49:24 -0400
From: "Tim Stuy"
Subject: Re: (erielack) Ford-Teterboro

The plant that moved to Mahwah was Ford's plant at Edgewater on the NYS&W.

Tim

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 3:25 PM, wrote:

> Paul
> Teterboro had nothing to do with assembly. It was a parts distribution ware
> house.? Got every type of part imaginable in a car in? via rail cars and?
> trucks, and everything go distributed via truck.? Finally closed about 5-6
> years ago.
>
> Bob Bahrs
>
> Ford had a plant in Teterboro that received autoparts in boxcars, including
> hy-cubes, although in a fraction of the volume of Mahwah. What did Teterboro
> produce, and how was it related to the assembly plant at Mahwah? I'm
> thinking it may have been an older plant that saw assembly shift to Mahwah
> when it was built in the late 50's, but continued to produce some parts that
> were then trucked to Mahwah
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Brezicki
> To: EL Mailing List ; Keith Robbins <
> KRinMich@aol.com>
> Sent: Mon,
11 Aug 2008 6:24 am
> Subject: (erielack) Ford-Teterboro
>
>
> Ford had a plant in Teterboro that received autoparts in boxcars, including
> hy-cubes, although in a fraction of the volume of Mahwah. What did Teterboro
> produce, and how was it related to the assembly plant at Mahwah? I'm
> thinking it may have been an older plant that saw assembly shift to Mahwah
> when it was built in the late 50's, but continued to produce some parts that
> were then trucked to Mahwah.?
> ?
> Paul B ?
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:17:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: "J DOT Henry Priebe Jr DOT "
Subject: (erielack) Daring Car Robbers Loot Erie Train (July 30, 1921)

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My great-uncle, Walter S. Jones, was killed in action in 1918 in France during
World War I. He was buried in France and his body wasn't exhumed and returned
stateside until mid-1921.

What does this have to do with the EL and predecessors?

Tammy and I have been doing our family's geneaology for several years now and
we finally got around to digging in my great uncle Walter's army trunk, which
has been in my attic for 43 some years now. Among his effects was a complete
copy of the North Tonawanda "The Evening
News" from July 30, 1921. It was
there because there is a front page writeup of my uncle's body being returned
home. Was that the first thing I noticed in that paper? Of course not, all I
saw was "DARING ROBBERS LOOT ERIE TRAIN" and "MAKE GETAWAY WITH TRUCKLOAD."

I have scanned it and attached it to this email. There is also another article
"ERIE CAR SEVERS GIRL'S LEG" that is prtially included.

Not enough EL related content for you? The article on my great uncle also
states that another of my great uncles, Raymond T. Jones Jr. was enroute to
Hoboken to claim the body and escort it back to Buffalo. Any guesses as to how
he traveled from Buffalo to Hoboken and back again? :)

Henry

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:52:41 -0400
From: "Jim Guthrie"
Subject: (erielack) Once Upon a Time in Hoboken

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This is the DL&W Anthracite Terminal in Hoboken in 1882.

DL&W Coal Co piers are the three in the middle; on the left in the main
picture (right in the inset) is the pier used mainly by the NYS&W; the pier
on the other end is devoted to the other independent coal operators.

Cheers,
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:28:58 -0400
From: JG at graytrainpix
Subject: (erielack) RE: What is wrong with this picture?

Fred,

Thanks much! But almost every railfan and modeler who has been at it for awhile
becomes a "history detective", sooner or later. This list certainly has its
share of fellow Erie/EL/DL history detectives. And darn good ones, I must say!
Jim Gerofsky


> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:00:40 -0400
> From: Fred Stratton
> Subject: RE: (erielack) RE: What is wrong with this picture?
>
> Jim,
> You are so good. Ever think of becoming a "Forensic Railfan"? :-)
>
> Fred Stratton
> Boonton & Greenwood Lake RR in HO Scale
> Salisbury, NC 28147

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