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From: "Daniel G DOT McFadden" dan DOT mcfadden AT gmail DOT com
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 22:41:48 -0400
Subject: RE: (erielack) Where were you?
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Ed & List,

Seeing X-64 on the Boonton Line was a rare sight. But once the milk business
was done, there was no reason that it would have to run the M&E. X-64
survived until the big cutbacks in Sept 1966; I think I have a movie of it
on its last run.

I do question the stove coach being the middle car of three because I
remember its being on the hind end. That would sort of make sense because I
do not think they wanted the traveling public anywhere near a hot stove.

A picture is attached of a day I caught it in Madison passing over Kings
Road with just one coach. Check out the reefer on the siding, maybe more
interesting than X-64 itself. I do not see any signs of the smoke jack so
maybe this is not the stove coach. At this time in February 1960, Train 1013
was dropping two coaches in the Dover yard; a short time later, the 3 car
train was going back.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Montgomery [mailto:etmontgomery46 AT gmail DOT com]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 9:11 AM
To: EL Mail List
Subject: Re: (erielack) Where were you?


Dan,

I remember the "stove coach". Our neighbors in Wayne commuted on the
Lackawanna/EL to NY to work in banks. One day the wife came home early on
that train and noted it had a pot stove in it. I later noticed it
observing the three car train. For a long time the stove coach was the
middle care. You could see the smoke jack for it. I may have a picture of
it somewhere around the house. I do remember riding in it or one of it's
brothers on the Black River and Western back in the 80s. There was one
time in the early 60s when I was at Mountain View during the summer train
watching. I was at the station watching 1013 come through and about 45
minutes later I was walking through the town near the tracks and heard a
train sound its horn for the Erie Crossing. I thought that odd and then
heard the GP7 running at full speed as X-64 was routed back to Hoboken on
the Boonton Line that day. So I went back several successive days but
never saw X-64 again.

Ed Montgomery

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 6:04 PM, Daniel G. McFadden
wrote:

> Ed,
>
> I am probably not the person to answer this but I think it had to do with
> the elimination of a "car-knocker" in Dover. Don't ask me anything to do
> with the breakdown of duties in the various crafts but that is what I
> remember.
>
> Earlier in that same year, I took a picture of X64 with just a single
coach
> which was the "stove coach." That car had a pot belly stove and of course
> could be heated on dead-head milk runs without the steam lines being
hooked
> up. At that time, there had to have been a car knocker employed in Dover
> because two coaches (from Train 1013) were left in the yard. Final piece
of
> trivia - the number of the stove coach was 646 - at least that is what my
> notes say.
>
> On one occasion passing through Hoboken on a Sunday, I found the stove
> coach
> sitting by itself on Track One. I boarded for a look and the stove was
> still
> simmering.
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ed Montgomery [mailto:etmontgomery46@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 5:47 PM
> To: EL Mail List
> Subject: Re: (erielack) Where were you?
>
>
> Thanks Dan,
>
> I always wondered why X-64 was routed back to Hoboken via Summit. I
wonder
> why they turned it a Denville rather than just run the engine around the
> train?
>
> Ed Montgomery
>
> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Daniel G. McFadden <
> dan.mcfadden@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > NOTE: This message had contained at least one image attachment.
> > To view or download the image(s), click on or cut and paste the
> > following URL into your web browser:
> >
> >
> > http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-10-22-14
> >
> > 19601014-MtTabor-Train_X64.jpg (image/jpeg, 1792x1280 282102 bytes, BF:
> > 8.13 ppb)
> > 19601017-Madison-Train_5.jpg (image/jpeg, 1272x1800 292223 bytes, BF:
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> > 19601030-Hoboken-041.jpg (image/jpeg, 1792x1280 336255 bytes, BF: 6.82
> ppb)
> > 19601030-Hoboken-045.jpg (image/jpeg, 1200x1200 148356 bytes, BF: 9.71
> ppb)
> >
> > Hard to believe it was 54 years ago? Oh yes - yikes! At the time, I was
a
> > student (supposedly) at Drew University. It seemed like I was just
> getting
> > to know a little bit about the DL&W and here everything was about to
> > change.
> > It wasn't that I had any dislike of the Erie but I just wanted nothing
to
> > change. Was that too much to ask?
> >
> > On the Friday, October 14, I headed to Denville, my favorite haunt and
of
> > course convenient to Madison. I had my trusty Brownie along and took a
> shot
> > of X-64 at Mt. Tabor. This was the equipment from the first train up the
> > Boonton Line (1013); it backed down from Dover and around the wye at
> > Denville before heading east on the Morris & Essex to pick up the empty
> > milk
> > cars. That day and evening at Denville, I saw 4 big freights; a PD-X,
> HB-1,
> > HB-3, and BH-8. Also of possible interest, Number 7 had 15 cars with the
> > 815+803B+817 for power. So the DL&W was far from dead that last Friday.
> >
> > On the Monday, the first day of the combined roads, I walked down to the
> > station at Madison to see Train 5, the Twilight. My tortured teen brain
> was
> > relieved to see nothing out the ordinary with E8s 818 and 816 rolling
> > through with 13 cars at 5:32 PM.
> >
> > The first physical evidence of the merger that I witnessed was in
Hoboken
> > on
> > Sunday October 30. Observation car 99 was outfitted with speakers and
> > re-lettered for the new railroad. That night in Denville, I saw the
first
> > (for me) power re-lettered. Train 42 had the 814+967+813 for power with
> the
> > E8s having EL lettering.
> >
> > The next day, those two E8s powered the Cabot-Lodge campaign train; that
> > entire 6 car train was re-lettered for EL.
> >
> > Soon enough, I learned to love the EL.
> >
> > Dan McFadden
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael Connor [mailto:mjconnor_rr@hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 8:32 PM
> > To: ELRR Lists
> > Subject: (erielack) Where were you?
> >
> >
> > For those old enough to have seen the DL&W and Erie in person it is hard
> to
> > believe that at 12:01 AM this morning (October 17th) the Erie Lackawanna
> > merger is 54 years old! Where were you on that fated October 17th? I
> was
> > in high school (October 17th was a Monday) but the previous day, Sunday,
> > the
> > 16th, I had been at Bath, N.Y., at 12 Noon, right after Mass at St.
> Mary's
> > and a quick trip down Lackawanna Avenue to meet my Father, the Erie's
> > Buffalo & Rochester Division Trainmaster, who came down on #6, the
> "Phoebe
> > Snow" (riding the engine, if I recall, to familiarize himself with the
> > territory). At midnight he would become the Trainmaster of Erie
> > Lackawanna's Buffalo Division, formed of the former Erie's Buffalo &
> > Rochester Division and the former DL&W's Buffalo Division (west of QO
> > Gibson, inclusive). So I wasn't on the EL on the 17th but saw the
DL&W's
> > premier train up front and personal on its last DL&W day.
> >
> > Hope you enjoy this little vignette. Share yours!
> >
> > MJC (Michael Connor)
> >
> >
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