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From: "Ron" rdukarm AT roadrunner DOT com
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:24:53 -0500
Subject: Re: (erielack) DL&W Troop Sleeper MOW
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List, attached is a photo of EL 489007 which I took in Jamestown in 1981.

Ron Dukarm ELHS #532



----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Oravec"
To: "EL Mail List"
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: (erielack) DL&W Troop Sleeper MOW


> Joshua,
>
> You are confused because the information on the NPS website is incorrect.
> http://www.nps.gov/stea/planyourvisit/upload/lackawanna3621.pdf
>
> The series of ten cars (2111-2121) were Box Express (BE), which the DL&W
> converted from second hand troop sleepers by gutting the interior and
> covering over the windows. They kept their numbers into the merger after
> which several were given EL numbers. Only one of these ten ever became an
> MofW car (EL 489007).
>
> 3621 was one of another series of ex-troop sleepers that DL&W converted to
> MofW after acquiring them from the government. As Ron mentioned, they
> kept their 3600 series numbers into the merger unless EL renumbered them
> (and most never were renumbered).
>
> Mike Oravec
>
>
>
> Joshua wrote:
>> Troop Sleeper, #3621. Pullman Company built and operated 2400 cars for
>> military travel between 1943 and 1946. Troop sleepers used a simple
>> boxcar
>> design with 30 crosswise triple-deck bunks. The cars were sold to the
>> railroads after World War II. Railroads converted them into an
>> assortment
>> of work cars, as did the DL&W. DL&W purchased 11 including this car for
>> the
>> series 2111 - 2121. Late 1950s the series changed to 3611 to 3621.
>> Donated
>> to Steamtown NHS by Conrail, January 1990.
>>
>> Joshua
>> http://www.joshuakblay.com
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ron [mailto:rdukarm@roadrunner.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 20,
>> 2007 4:37 PM
>> To: EL Mail List
>> Subject: Re: (erielack) DL&W Troop Sleeper MOW
>>
>> Joshua,
>>
>> As far as I know, the DL&W never changed the number series on their troop
>> sleepers. They were all in the 3600 series.
>>
>> When the DL&W merged with the ERIE, the ERIE's MOW numbering system
>> dominated. However, most of the DL&W's troop cars were not repainted or
>> renumbered. The cars stayed in their original paint and number until
>> retired. If any ex-DL&W cars were repainted and renumbered by the EL,
>> they would have received the old ERIE six-digit number which the EL
>> adopted and continued.
>>
>> I would be interested in the actual cars you are referring to.
>>
>> Ron Dukarm ELHS #532
>>
>>
>>
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