RE: (erielack) EL name and logo.

[intercityrailpal_@_netscape.net]

Hey John, I just can't see any connection between NS and Erie-Lackawanna. Reporting marks included! 

For years there were New M&StL hopper cars rolling around! The Minneapolis and St Louis sold the rail assets to Chicago and North Western in 1960 for 40 million dollars, changed their name to M&StL Industries and went into other businesses.  C&NW only got the reporting marks (& rail assets) not the company.  I saw these new M&StL cars in the 1980's!

When I bought my private sleeping car in 1973 from the Kansas City Southern, I wanted to restore it to KCS lettering and colors. An offical from the wonderful KCS told me to just put in very, very tiny letters on the name board "Former."  From any kind of distance, you'd never see it! And KCS is still in business!  I didn't use it, because Amtrak required for a short time that any cars used on their trains be in Amtrak colors! (they're still in business, too!) Additionally, the Amtrak Arrow on private cars had to be done slightly differently from the official logo. After 10 or 15 thousand dollars my car had a Amtrak paint job. KCS fans complained. I told them it was only paint. The car was sold to Mexico in the 1980's, and I believe now scrapped.  I called it Camelot......Lance (Launcelot)  

P.S.  Go for less...Go K-C-S!


Jjbchian_@_aol.com wrote:

>To all listers,
>
>After ELDCPS acquired EL Diner 741, we decided it would be wise to contact a 
>Senior high official at NS who is an acquaintance of one of our Directors, 
>concerning the use of "Erie Lackawanna" on the letterboard of the car. 
>
>This person informed us that he thought the EL name and logo were still owned 
>by NS, but wasn't absolutely positive. He was also reluctant to start asking 
>about it, as that might raise a "red flag". In regard to painting and 
>lettering the car, he recommended that we "just do it," but keep a "low 
>profile" about it. 
>
>I must emphasize, that it is important for us at ELDCPS and our future plans, 
>to have a good relationship with NS. 
>
>Keep in mind, that their are still freight cars in the general freight car 
>system still carrying the EL logo, name, and in a few cases, EL reporting 
>marks. Which of course, when the EL name and number are read over an AEI 
>scanner, it reverts to NS. Diner 741 will be lettered "Erie Lackawanna," but 
>ELDCPS owns the equipment, not NS. Of course, their may be other equipment 
>acquisitions that we, or other ELDCPS members are contemplating. However, we 
>need to be somewhat conservative. 
>
>I would say that anyone wishing to COMMERCIALLY use the EL Railroad or 
>Railway name and logo, may be on shaky ground, and could attract the 
>attention of NS. 
>
>Let us all be responsible, and carefully consider if any ones actions will 
>"upset the apple cart." 
>
>John Boehner, VP
>ELDCPS 
>


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