Re: Trackage rights to Watkins Glen, NY (was: (erielack) Salt Traffic - EL Salt Covered Hopper

["Chuck Yungkurth" <raildata_@_comcast.net>]

Well, that's what it's all about. The longer you dig the more you find out!

The one time I saw an black EL GP going through Montour Falls was outside 
the building where I was attending a model railroad dinner.

According to Bill Caloroso's book on the Emira Branch of the PRR, the Erie 
had bought the Chemung RR that went from Elmira to Watkins. Then when the 
line was built that became the PRR route up to Sodus the bought the Cehmung 
from the Erie, but the Erie reatin right to go to Watkins and the PRR (or 
predecessor) got trackage rights from Southport to Horseheads on the Erie.

Pretty sure the line was worked out of Elmira.  Gang Mills was pretty new 
facility and I doubt many crews worked out of there. There are a few netions 
of Watkins buried in employee timetables. I thin Erie actually owned some 
sidings there.

There are guys around Elmira who should know about the EL working to 
Watkins. Don Jilson is one. Ex PRR engineer. You can trace him down through 
Bill Caloroaso who is at wcaloroso_@_stny.rr.com. Bill know other retirees in 
the area.

Hope all is well with you. Still see those multi compartment tank cars at 
Coors brewery once in a while but eiother it is blocked in by other cars or 
I don't have my camera!

Chuck Y


- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: <pat.moore_@_att.net>
To: "EL Mail List" <erielack_@_lists.railfan.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 3:07 PM
Subject: Trackage rights to Watkins Glen, NY (was: (erielack) Salt Traffic - 
EL Salt Covered Hopper


> Chuck...
>
> Now this is what I like about this list...I learn something new almost 
> every day.  I had no idea the EL made it up to "the Glen"!  I suppose that 
> was a job that was based out of Elmira?  Or would it have been based out 
> of Gang Mills because it was a former Erie agreement?  I wonder how often 
> they went up to Watkins Glen?  When did the PRR or PC stop using the line 
> through Elmira?  Did the EL start to run up there after the PRR or PC 
> pulled out?
>
> So many questions...
>
> -pat
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "Chuck Yungkurth" <raildata_@_comcast.net>
>>
>> The Erie /EL got to Watkins Glen by trackage rights over the PRR from
>> Elmira.  At one time I knew how they got these...probably had something 
>> to
>> do with the PRR using the Erie through Elmira. The salt company was (is?) 
>> on
>> the west side of the lake, just past the city. There may have been 
>> another
>> on the swampy part of land east of the city.
>>
>> I only saw  an EL train there once. That was at night and it was going
>> through Montour Falls with a GP7.
>>
>> Salt was pretty heavy stuff. Weighed about the same as cment so was 
>> usually
>> shippen in two bay short covered hoppers.
>>
>> The heavy salt traffic I saw on the LV / D&H was in the fall when highway
>> departments were stoacking up. I recall that there sometimes was a 
>> shortage
>> of cars and highway rock slat could be seen shiiped in open hopper cars.
>>
>> Chuck Y
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